hired at cnn. that's exciting for jeff, isn't it? >> it is. it's cool. >> absolutely. absolutely. he'll do good things. >> that's all he has to say. that's all he's got to say. >> i think we're all thrilled for jeff. >> okay. that's all he's got to say. >> wow! >> he's a company man. he's a company man. >> all right. >> no, you know, he doesn't want to upset phil. you know, buddy, you can't talk about, you can't say. >> phil gets upset. >> he gets upset. >> he gets really hurt. he gets emotional. >> we can't have jeff doing too well, right? >> no. >> i know. >> did you hear what phil said? >> what about phil say? >> about zucker. he's just turned on him. just vicious. >> really? >> hateful diatribe. >> oh, no. out loud? >> for people at home, the two are about as good a friends as you can have in television, which isn't saying an awful lot. >> that's right. >> that says nothing, actually. i've had a few friends in television. >> how did that work out for you? >> not well. >> not well at all. so david, we've been trying to negotiate -- we've been talking about the president's openi